Fat City shut up (physical) shop

By robd • Category: Blog

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So, an end of an era really. For me, anyhow. You may remember that Fat City records in Manchester shut its physical, upstairs shop to run from the cellar as web-only, with visits on Fridays/Saturdays. Well now even that’s gone, as the brand/stock/etc has been sold (to Jazzman, apparently) in that there London. The website I believe will continue, but that’s it.

I first started to going to FC when it was in Affleck’s with Chubby Grooves on the counter. First time I walked in I just bought the record that he was playing at the time (which was a Dave the Ruf LP I believe). Since then I’ve spent many, many hours in there, from 2 hour brew and butty sessions with Treva Whateva and Martin Brew, to more recent general abuse (in a friendly way) from Darren Laws, mixed in with endless great recommendations from Jon K, Ryan Hunn and Dave, amongst many others, it’s been a vital part of my record buying for some time.

It’s another sign of the sad decline of the record shops. So hard to make money nowadays from new releases – buying them at £3 to sell them at £5 makes any physical store an expense too far, and when customers can buy online from any number of places (some like Juno with greater buying power) or even just download why would they bother to come to the actual shop? So people don’t, yet they’ll happily bemoan the closure of shops like this. And when these shops close what do you lose? You lose the people who work there, and the knowledge that they’ve gathered over many, many years playing, collecting and selling records. You can’t go online and ask for some recommendations, based on the website’s knowledge of you over the past 5 years. You can’t ask a website to pull out something that ’sounds a bit like XX’ that you may have missed. You can’t ask them to put something to one side for you, or talk through a label/artist, or have a chat about the state of music in Manchester, or, or, or. All these things – yes, physical shops are more expensive than some alternatives – but this is what you’re paying for. Real People. The extra that having a Real Person in a shop can provide. Not a ‘people who bought this also bought that’ auto-generated script, or a ‘things you may have missed’ article put up by someone to shift stock. A Real Person.

Yes, I appreciate that this is just another piece written by a mid-30s music collector bemoaning the changing of something he loves, and by extension, bemoaning his own gentle descent into middle-age and irrelevance. I’m sure that to any 16 year old music lover the thought of going into a record shop is a quaint concept, a relic from times past, and perhaps especially so for shops selling new records where anyone can compete online – why bother? But I also genuinely believe that in losing real, local shops you’re losing the Real People who work in them, and you lose their knowledge and personal attention. And even from a purely selfish point of view, I think that sucks. Soon there will just be online music shops, ebay, and the occasional second hand shop surviving. So next time you’re thinking about buying online, why not pop into the local record shop instead? Talk to the people who work there, get their recommendations, use them – because you don’t know how long they’ll be there for.

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• Posted on Aug 24th, 2009

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  • vern
    A real loss. The Northern Quarter is so much less without Fat City. It was a big part of my life for a good number of years and my musical horizons would be much narrower without it. Thanks for everything.
  • Dave R
    im still mourning the loss of great manc outlets like blue vinyl, manchester underground and beat street records. Pardon the pun but manchester literally revolved around its record shops. we are losing an very important part of our local culture and it genuinely breaks my heart. i could go on but think you're man has pretty much summed it up.
  • Tim
    Manchester is not ready to be written off just yet!. Went into Piccadilly Records today as a Postie was coming out groaning about the weight of the sacks of stuff shipping out for mail order so there are still plenty of people who are buying physical product for whom listening to Spotify isn't enough, and more importantly there were people in the shop browsing, buying and talking music at the counter. Further down the street there were plenty of people digging crates in Vinyl Exchange, people listening to stuff on the turntables in Eastern Bloc, Northern Soul 7"s changing hands in Beatin' Rhythm. Record Shop Culture is alive in Manchester.

    Do visit our (not-for-profit and ad-free) website and show your support to the stalwarts of the Manchester Record Shop Scene, Mr Sifter and all. http://www.recordshopcity.co.uk
  • carlrecordshopcity
    Ode to Fat City

    And so it came to be…rumours and whispers drifted across the late summer afternoons, swirling around the Oldham Street detritus and buzzing anxiously through the windows of Manchesters’ soul brothers, beat junkies, funk merchants and just plain old believers. I consciously chose not to believe it, swatting away the ides of August with the Evil D’s and a back catalogue of Truth and Soul wax.

    So the shop went and it was down to the basement, still trading Friday and Saturday, perhaps not as Fat, but hey many of us need to lose a few pounds. Three visits later and one quick cigarette break with Chris and it was gone, relocated to London in the back of Jazzman’s van.

    So the Jazzman and our big city brethren get Fat City. What can never be traded however are the friends, joy, inspiration and moments created over the past 15 years. Chubby Grooves, Treva Whateva, Central Heating, Rae and Christian, Frying the Fat, First Priority, Tony D; so many grooves and faces which became friends and family. Relationships and pure love for the music built Fat City and that relationship followed me from hand shakes in Afflecks to the aforementioned fag break with Chris on the last day of trading. People come and go in our journey and I know that without Fat City my story would have been different and my shelves and soul considerably bereft.

    Fat City take a bow as Manchester salutes you, now can we please have another soul and funk specialist asap.
  • It's horrible & it's happening everywhere. I live in Nottingham & we've lost (the legendary) Selectadisc & the lesser-known (but great) Funky Monkey in the space of a year. Somewhat ironically, we still have 3 (!) HMVs & a Fopp! Grim, grim times...
  • Salfordcitypaul
    I heard this news last weekend and thought what a great shame that Fat City will no longer have any physical presence in Manchester. I guess the first thing to say is thanks to Dave, Jon K, Darren, Mike Stephens and all the other people that have served behind the counter at Fat City. Like you I'll certainly miss popping in for a couple of hours on a Saturday or sunday afternoon. I wouldn't like to think about how much money I have spent in there over the years (I wouldn't say anyway in case my missus reads this blog!!! - definately money well spent tho)The people in that shop have put me on to some great stuff and it was always an education going in there.

    It did look like the writing was on the wall when they relocated down to the basement although credit to Jon K he managed to create a good vibe down there - it must have been a pretty chaotic place to work!!

    Its made me think a bit about the decline of the record shop as the hub of a music scene. It can't be seperated from the general decline in vinyl and maybe even the physcial buying of music. The music scene is constantly evolving, as someone said to me over the weekend people probably used to say vinyl would kill off live music. I think back to some of the record shops that have come and gone over the years in Manchester ( thinking of Manchester Underground, Powercuts, Eastern Bloc, Decoy Records, Spin Inn) I wonder if anything will come and fill the gap left by Fat City. I wonder how many shops are even left across the North Of England. Hopefully it won’t be a case of you dont know what you have til its gone.

    I have to say though, for me, the internet has been more good than bad. Yes, it can be a soulless place to do your record buying. But in terms of being turned on to new music the number of blogs and online staions) is bringing the knowledge to a new level. Its interesting for a start that so much of the debate about the decline of record shops is happening on line. I think the thing is, we need to make sure that the online world retains some local focus by supporting blogs llike this and local radio shows like my own (http://salfordsoulfunkjazz.podomatic.com/) and the guys at Groovement.
  • Tim
    More information here (and about lots of other Manc record shops)
    http://www.recordshopcity.co.uk
  • catcalledmorris
    Id just like to add onto the end end of this, the best of luck to Dave Walker, Jon K, Ryan Hunn and (the already departed) Darren Laws in their future projects, whatever they may be, and THANKS.
  • ohfo
    Good post Rob. Like you I first went to Fat City when it was in Afflecks and Mark Rae was behind the counter.
    It was great to have a place that specialised in Hip-Hop, unlike some of the other shops in Manchester.
    And - they didn't make you feel like a knobhead (like they did at Spin Inn) when you sometimes had to describe(hum?) a tune that you'd heard whilst out clubbing or something! I'll always be grateful for that.
    That said - I probably only used them about 3 or 4 times in 2008/9. I never go into Piccadilly Records anymore. So it's kinda hypocritical to lament about it I guess.
    I wonder how many of the people who think it's sad that Fat City has closed still go to record shops? I wonder how many download mp3s for free instead?
  • northerncomfort
    Cheers Ohfo - it's easy to take them for granted isn't it - and it's one of those things, progress I guess. Like little book shops vs Amazon, local butchers vs Tesco, etc.
  • phil
    Excellent article, RIP Fat City, a real Manchester institution. I can't help feeling that one day in the not too distant future when people have got over the novelty of being able to download things for f all kids who love music will get it together to open a shop and other kids will come and hang out there and support it somehow or other. Let's hope so... music is meant for communal consumption after all.
  • northerncomfort
    Cheers Phil. It's weird - I guess blogs are the new record shop workers. Just that then the recommendations are from one to many, rather than one to one.
  • purpose_b
    Well said. One of the reasons, if not THE reason why I built up a collection and started caring enough about underground music to get involved in a scene.

    Time and time again I'd go in there and utter those dangerous words "any interesting bits in?" (mainly to Jon K, but Darren you definitely pushed a few gems my way, respect due!), and I'd walk out the shop, long receipt in hand, not feeling suckered but spellbound, knowing that the white fat man bag was packed full of carefully crafted records that offered a haven from all the mainstream guff. "Divine Sounds".

    Real chatter over twitter any day.

    Genuine thanks.
  • northerncomfort
    Cheers man. Good to see others out there supporting record shops.
  • Very Very Very sad. Where will we go now? Sign of the times sadly, same when crash vinyl section went in Leeds. At least now maybe piccadilly records will stay open with the new influx of customers.
  • northerncomfort
    Hope so dude. I've no doubt Jazzman will look after the site, etc, and it's great that he's taken it over, no doubt about it.
  • FH_Le_Magnifique
    Nicely written article.
  • northerncomfort
    Thanks
  • lozz you're right

    the business model needs to change.....cafe,clothes,equipment.....i guess fat city was doin all this minus the cafe already.
    conch records in auckland/nz has a cafe out front and record store in the back,works well

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  • northerncomfort
    Voxpops tried that though in Manchester, and ended up removing the shop section to mail only with the records in a warehouse. Real estate is expensive, and you make more money selling coffee in that space than you do vinyl. People will pay £2 for coffee, yet expect their music for free.
  • jonkennedy
    R I P
  • DarrenLaws
    it's such a shame as without the record shops in Newcastle and Manchester i am sure my musical knowledge would not have been the same.. many of my fav records have been recomended to me buy people in record shops be it the staff or the punters and some are things i dont think i would ever have checked.
    I must admit I enjoyed my many years moaning at punters while working in Fat City but I also hope I passed a bit of my musical love on to people.
    It will be a sad day when we lose record shops complitly.
    In the words of the mighty Q-TIP (on Janet Jacksons track) "you don't know what you've got till its gone"
    Support real shops.
    Darren Laws
  • northerncomfort
    Innit? You opened up me to a load of soul stuff in the last 12 months or so that I would have missed otherwise. It’s such a shame that the ability to download/buy online stuff quickly and easily trumps the slightly slower, but ultimately more rewarding ‘go to a shop’ approach – as all these benefits go. You never thought I’d call you a benefit now, did you…;)
  • Lozz
    Excellent Article. They are a Major Part of the scene, the ecosystem of the underground. The Record Shop, The Label, The Broadcast, The Club. I really believe you need all 4 elements for a healthy scene to exist, the yoof will probably prove me wrong, but what if Im not? There needs to be some form of physical replacement for that lost element in a record shop- the people with the knowledge and friendly face you can have a banter with or ask very vague questions to and get a pile of vague 12s that you can then go through to narrow down what you are looking for.

    Maybe some kind of Cafe or bar, run by dudes who used to run record shops, who have access to, physical or digital, tunes that people can come in and talk about, so you've got a record shop that doesnt actually sell tunes, but knowledge and beers.

    Maybe thats the answer....
  • northerncomfort
    Cheers Lozz. Like I say on here - blogs are sort of the new record shop workers - but their advice is one to many, rather than one to one. Message boards I guess as well.
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